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<blockquote type="cite">With 42 teams, this means that we use up
an entire workweek of time</blockquote>
A meeting of about max 2h once every 2 weeks isn't a full work
week in my book.<br>
The meetings themselves are more about providing information to
other teams, if discussions go into too much detail we ask them to
do it after the meeting.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">to discuss very little of substance</blockquote>
We already have a longer discussion now on using mail as a medium,
as we ever had during an online meeting. So you fail to make your
point to me.</p>
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<blockquote type="cite">E-mail can be read at any time and should
be the way to communicate orga-wide as it is not time-sensitive.</blockquote>
We log a transcript of the meeting on the wiki you can read it
whenever you like.<br>
And we send an invitation to the meeting hours prior with it,
including the pad (who is also used as transcript) and for your
team to share updates if you cant/do not want to attend.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">There are people who can not attend the
meetings, either due to time constraints, insufficient internet
connections, or disabilities. e-mail just works.</blockquote>
And the same holds true for email.<br>
We have a lot of people who do not attend the mail list because
they see it as an outdated medium and the frequent (in their eyes)
pointless discussions.<br>
<br>
How many teams reacted to the "Team:Warehouse is now open!" mail
to the list?<br>
We see that we have very limited reach with the maillist. This is
already true since MCH (where we also shared most information
during meetings, so this shouldn't be a real surprise).</p>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Henry Paulissen Schokkenbroek
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/05/2025 22:35, CH23 wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Robin,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>I can't agree with that reasoning. E-mail can be read at
any time and should be the way to communicate orga-wide as it
is not time-sensitive.</div>
<div>The meetings are fine to get a general update from teams,
although usually not of interest for my team. With 42 teams,
this means that we use up an entire workweek of time to
discuss very little of substance. I expect important
information to find its' way to me by e-mail. <br>
</div>
<div>I never heard anybody say "this could have been a meeting"
when receiving an e-mail, but "this could have been an e-mail"
after a one-hour meeting is used a lot.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There are people who can not attend the meetings, either
due to time constraints, insufficient internet connections, or
disabilities. e-mail just works.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Please use the mailing list to communicate important
information.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>With kind regards,<br>
</div>
<div>CH23 / Jochem</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 13 May 2025 at 19:48,
Robin Edgar <<a href="mailto:robinedgar@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">robinedgar@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi, sorry, but to put it bluntly: What do you
think the online meetings are for?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 13 May 2025 at
19:46, Sebastian Oort <<a
href="mailto:bas@knutselaar.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bas@knutselaar.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Ah so yes it was mentioned in an online meeting.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To put it bluntly and in Dutch: Zo werkt dat niet.
Je wilt kritieke input vanuit elk team en dan benoem
je dat in een online meeting? En NIEMAND denkt er aan
om de teams even een mailtje te sturen waar ze op
kunnen reageren?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nu vraag ik me af: wat voor kritieke vragen hebben
we allemaal nog meer gemist?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ben hier echt niet blij mee.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bas </div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
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<div>Op 13 mei 2025, om 18:41 heeft Henry
Schokkenbroek <<a
href="mailto:henry@ifcat.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">henry@ifcat.org</a>>
het volgende geschreven:</div>
<br>
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<p><a
href="https://wiki.why2025.org/Orga_Jitsi_15_Januari_2025"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.why2025.org/Orga_Jitsi_15_Januari_2025</a></p>
<p>Point 2 of the agenda.<br>
</p>
<pre cols="72">Henry Paulissen Schokkenbroek
T: +31611530564</pre>
<div>On 13/05/2025 18:36, Sebastian Oort
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"> Speaking for my
team: we never got that question. At
least, we can’t remember and can’t find it
in our team e-mailbox.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bas<br>
<div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Op 13 mei 2025, om 18:17
heeft Henry Schokkenbroek via
Orga <a
href="mailto:orga@lists.why2025.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><orga@lists.why2025.org></a>
het volgende geschreven:</div>
<br>
<div>
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<p>We've asked teams a few
months ago if they see any
scaling issues on going to
4000 visitors, but we also
explicitly mentioned that we
would postpone that decision
to a later moment.<br>
</p>
<p>Probably near the end of
this month / beginning of
next month, we will come
with a final on this (this
is a guestimate by myself).</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<pre cols="72">Henry Paulissen Schokkenbroek
T: +31611530564</pre>
<div>On 13/05/2025 17:55,
Wheeze_NL wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Rob,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Do I understand that
we are not planning on
scaling up? I did not
consider this until Bas
mentioned it.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, Lennart<br>
</div>
</div>
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class="gmail_attr">Op ma
12 mei 2025 om 20:30
schreef Rob Verseijden
via Orga <<a
href="mailto:orga@lists.why2025.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">orga@lists.why2025.org</a>>:<br>
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<p>Hi Bas, thank you
for asking. :)<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, we
have had some delays
with sorting out and
checking the
addresses, among
other things.
Nevertheless, we
still love to find
our posters hanging
on the walls of
hackerspaces,
hopefully still
motivating CfP and
other participation.<br>
<br>
In order to reduce
costs, we will
personally deliver
the materials within
The Netherlands, in
some regions in
Germany (South
Germany and Berlin)
and (part of)
Belgium.<br>
<br>
Still, it would be
nice to have all
materials safely
packaged so that
they remain neat and
tidy, and it’s clear
what has been
delivered already
and what is not.<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Rob.
(team:info)</p>
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</p>
<p>Bas Oort schreef op
2025-05-12 05:51:</p>
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<div
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:monospace">Hi Rob, i'd like to
ask a question:
"why?"<br>
<br>
We've got 500
tickets left to
sell, sending out
200 packages feels
"a bit much" at
this stage. <br>
<br>
Unless the plan is
to get another
batch of tickets
sold (going from
3.5k to 4k), i see
little reason to
spend all these
resources (time,
money, materials)
at this time.<br>
<br>
If the plan is to
add another batch
of tickets, my
team (and several
other teams!)
really need to
know *soon*.<br>
<br>
Bas<br>
(Team Waste)<br>
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type="cite"
style="padding:0px 0.4em;border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin:0px">Op
11 mei 2025 om
23:25 heeft Rob
via Orga <<a
href="mailto:orga@lists.why2025.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">orga@lists.why2025.org</a>>
het volgende
geschreven:<br>
<br>
Dear WHY-minded
people. :D<br>
<br>
WHY2025 will
provide posters
and stickers to
around 200
hackerspaces in
the Netherlands,
Belgium and
Germany. To
achieve this,
200 tubes need
to be labelled
and filled with
posters, flyers
and stickers.<br>
<br>
This Thursday,
15 May,
Team:info is
organising a
sweatshop to get
this done.<br>
<br>
Drinks and
dinner will be
provided.<br>
<br>
Please let us
know about your
intend to assist
bij adding your
name to the list
at the Bitlair
page mentioned
below or with an
e-mail to
elborro at
bitlair dot nl.<br>
<br>
WHY even page: <a
href="https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Info/sweatshop-2025-05-15"
rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Info/sweatshop-2025-05-15</a><br>
<br>
Bitlair event
page: <a
href="https://bitlair.nl/Events/2025-05-15_WHY2025_sweatshop"
rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://bitlair.nl/Events/2025-05-15_WHY2025_sweatshop</a><br>
<br>
--<br>
Vriendelijke
groeten/Kind
regards, Rob.<br>
<br>
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