<p dir="ltr">Perfect - that location works for us. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Terrain: could we get it added to the map please? </p>
<p dir="ltr">(Incidentally, I don't know where the infra map you're using is? I think it'd be helpful for these layers to be on the main map, as at EMF, so we can see where the cable runs are)</p>
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body link="#467886" vlink="#96607D" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US>Hugh,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US>Assuming Nuts uses these power feed on the terrain :<br><br><img width=1210 height=589 style='width:12.6041in;height:6.1354in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image001.png@01DBECDD.C2E867E0"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US><br>I suggest we use this lower corner for a charging station for the orga shuttles and other orga vehicles :<br><br><img width=389 height=345 style='width:4.052in;height:3.5937in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image002.png@01DBECDD.E6B3EB40"><br><br>Would that work ?<br><br>Jeroen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:#1000'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Hugh Wells <hugh@crablab.uk> <br>Sent: vrijdag 4 juli 2025 08:21<br>To: jeroen@ifcat.org<br>Cc: why2025@rox.gay; terrain@lists.why2025.org; parking@lists.why2025.org; konmei <ccc@wedrich.org>; nuts@lists.why2025.org; logistics-leads@why2025.org; shuttle@lists.WHY2025.org<br>Subject: Re: RE: [why2025-terrain] Shuttle Parking Location</span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Hey Netsmurf,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Thank you for the explanation - that's helpful :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I'm happy to go with the proposed shuttle drop off - I just wasn't aware of the change. The most important thing is ability to keep the vehicles flowing, so if that's best managed by having the drop off at the top then that's perfect. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Our previous feedback has been around traffic queueing, but I think that's best resolved on site. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>The parking/charging issue I do think we need to resolve now as it has an impact on NUTS. This is a 63A cable pull to a special distro with charging equipment, so not trivial. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Could we find some space on the parking terrain that is satisfactory to them (to reduce the cable length required? The previous location was by the entrance.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>This is also being used by an electric forklift, so it really needs to be accessible for Manduca & team. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Hugh <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-------- Original Message --------<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On 04/07/2025 00:56, <<a href="mailto:jeroen@ifcat.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>jeroen@ifcat.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Rox,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Thx for forwarding, I will answer this question.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Hugh, I will try to give the best answers to your concerns I can.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Please lets do a Jitsi if you have followup questions, it is better to discuss this live.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Jeroen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> From: Rox <<a href="mailto:why2025@rox.gay"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>why2025@rox.gay</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Sent: donderdag 3 juli 2025 23:00<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> To: Hugh Wells <<a href="mailto:hugh@crablab.uk"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>hugh@crablab.uk</span></a>>; <a href="mailto:terrain@lists.why2025.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>terrain@lists.why2025.org</span></a>; <a href="mailto:parking@lists.why2025.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>parking@lists.why2025.org</span></a>; konmei <<a href="mailto:ccc@wedrich.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>ccc@wedrich.org</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Cc: <a href="mailto:nuts@lists.why2025.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>nuts@lists.why2025.org</span></a>; <a href="mailto:logistics-leads@why2025.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>logistics-leads@why2025.org</span></a>; <a href="mailto:shuttle@lists.WHY2025.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>shuttle@lists.WHY2025.org</span></a>; <a href="mailto:jeroen@ifcat.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>jeroen@ifcat.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Subject: Re: [why2025-terrain] Shuttle Parking Location<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Hi Hugh,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> As this concerns the parking area, I'm forwarding this to team parking / Konmei as they are in charge of that area<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Rox<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> On 03-07-2025 22:03, Hugh Wells via Terrain wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Hi Terrain,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > I noticed in a recent revision of the map that the Shuttle location in parking has been removed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> JVV: It is not removed, but it moved to the top of the field close to the entrance and exits.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > It's now marked at the very entrance of the parking which does not work for two reasons:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > - we are transporting people with lots of luggage. We want to drop them as close to the entrance as possible.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> JVV: As close to the entrance is a very popular spot as everyone wants to be dropped off as close to the entrance as possible.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> These where my considerations for moving the shuttle to the top :<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 1) As you mention below you want to get shuttles out as quickly as possible and that is why the shuttle dropoff is close to the entry and exit of the parking field.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> A shuttle driver can enter, and arrive at the shuttle drop off immediately and when departing chose to exit via the roundabout or the secondary exit on busy days.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 2) People arriving by shuttle are picked up from public transportation and although they have luggage, they are set up for moving with that luggage so a 100m walk is not extreme.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> People arriving by car..... well... sometimes I wonder what items they left at home.....(I am guilty of that too.....)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 3) Trucks arriving with field deliveries will be queued on the Festivalweg until they are allowed on the field, this would further hinder a quick shuttle turnaround.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 4) Wit this setup your shuttle turns around at the top, Cars are using the middle of the field and luggage shuttles stay at the bottom and they don’t cross..<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Moving the luggage drop off higher up to accommodate the shuttles right at the entrance means that cars, your shuttles and the luggage shuttles would all have to cross each other creating a traffic mayhem...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > - NUTS have agreed to run power infrastructure to parking to charge shuttles overnight, in the original location.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Please could we agree an acceptable location on the map for NUTS to install the shuttle charging equipment, and for us to park up to 8 vehicles.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> JVV: We can still reserve parking spaces for your shuttles next to charging facilities where NUTS sets that up, so that should be OK.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I suggest to do that on the field when we are all there and then to block that space for you.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > We propose that the drop off is used for Shuttles dropping of people in service, but we note that it's crucial we can get shuttles in and out quickly as we only have a finite number of them.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> JVV: And as explained above that is exactly why you are at the top with the choice of 1 entrance and 2 exits.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> JVV: Your guests have been traveling in public transport and if they hat to change platforms in ASD central they would have walked more already than the max 200m from shuttle drop off at the top to the entrance.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Hugh<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Terrain mailing list<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <a href="mailto:Terrain@lists.why2025.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>Terrain@lists.why2025.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <a href="https://lists.why2025.org/mailman/listinfo/terrain"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>https://lists.why2025.org/mailman/listinfo/terrain</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html></blockquote></div>