<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Hey Bart and others! <br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sorry to let you know so late but I've got my hands full with merch and other things right now.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I don't want to commit to something I cannot guarantee I will be able to fully commit to. <br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Wanted to join the meeting tonight to let you know but I'm not feeling so well.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Wish you all the best! <br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Best,</div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Rowan<br></div>
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On Tuesday, August 27th, 2024 at 20:23, Bart de Waal <bart@tuduft.nl> wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Rowan,</p>
<p>It's actually pretty common. You assume the world is flat and use
some 2d projection relevant to your area. In the Netherlands
(excluding far away islands), pretty much everyone uses
"Rijksdriehookcoordinaten". This is EPSG:28992, or EPSG:7415 with
heights.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">For example, the map we have from
another festival on the terrain is (I believe) a giant Autocad
(DXF) file.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The reason it's easier is because CAD
programs are designed for drawing. For example, if you want to
draw a tent of 4mx4m, and then move it, and rotate it, it is
possible in QGIS. But as far as I can tell you need to go to the
advanced digitizing menu, which is hard to find for a beginner.
There are no keyboard shortcuts for these operations unless you
set them yourself.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">By contrast, a CAD program is made for
these kind of drawing tasks. You load in an outline of the
terrain, and all the filling in is just drawing.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think there are probably some
advantages to QGIS. I think it's easier to keep track of and track
objects (I think you can tag them, for example). In CAD it's much
more just a drawing, with the meaning coming from the layer it's
in.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">ARCGIS is a non-starter due to the cost
(especially as we want Linux support) and the fact that we want
anyone to be able to use the files.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/27/24 10:07 AM, rowan8k wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">No
problem, thanks for replying now! <br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I
will make sure to be there at the next online meeting.</div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I'm
intrigued by the decision to use a 2D CAD program for the map as
it by default does not have any geographic referencing, which to
be fair is not crucial, but makes life a lot easier in my
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this case we are designing new areas, but we are doing it within
the boundaries and limitations of an existing area, so having a
reference of the existing area would be really helpful, which is
almost default in QGIS. <br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">To
be fair, I don't have much experience designing new areas in
QGIS, mostly doing data analysis and visualizing results, but I
cannot imagine how a 2D CAD program would be easier for mapping
than QGIS.</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">So,
I would love to be included in the technical infrastructure
talks so I can understand better what your previous process was
and I can answer any questions about using QGIS you might have.
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<div class="protonmail_quote"> On Tuesday, August 27th, 2024 at
01:05, Bart de Waal <a href="mailto:bart@tuduft.nl" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><bart@tuduft.nl></a> wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Rowan,</p>
<p>Sorry for the late reply.</p>
<p>We are happy to have your help! Feel free to join the user
mailing list, IRC channel, and to join our meetings. The
meetings are on the wiki: <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Terrain">https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Terrain</a></p>
<p>You can also join the orga-meetings if you are interested
in helping out with WHY2025 from any team. <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.why2025.org/Meetings">https://wiki.why2025.org/Meetings</a><br>
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<p>In previous editions, the map was made using a 2d CAD
program (Confusingly called Qcad) and a bunch of custom
scripts.<br>
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<p>We haven't really decided if we want to keep the old
infrastructure or change it around. Specifically, although
you can do mapping in Qgis, it doesn't seem to be designed
for designing new areas (but rather for documenting existing
places). If you have more experience with QGIS and disagree
with this statement, we would love to discuss with you.<br>
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<p>The other problem with QGIS is that it's data format
doesn't seem to be very suitable for storing in git. I've
found kart (<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://kartproject.org/">https://kartproject.org/</a>)
as a possible solution, but I haven't found time to try
using it yet. If you have opinions on this subject I'm also
very interested.</p>
<p>Sorry for not informing you in time to join the most recent
meeting. We are hoping to have a discussion on the techincal
infrastructure soon, and I think Redlizard will be inviting
you.</p>
<p>Kind Regards,</p>
<p>Bart / "Uglyhack"<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/10/24 2:03 PM, rowan8k
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Hey
all! <br>
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of you probably know me already, but otherwise I'm
rowan8k, see <span><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Rowan8k" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Rowan8k</a></span><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">I'd
be happy to help out with team terrain if my help would
still be useful :) </div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">I
have extensive academic experience with GIS, so I know my
way around QGIS and ArcGIS to do GIS analysis and map
making. <br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Also,
I made this open GIS course if you want to get started
with it yourself: <span><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://github.com/rowan8k/fundamentals-of-gis" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/rowan8k/fundamentals-of-gis</a></span><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Shall
I join the upcoming meeting to see if I can help out
somewhere? <br>
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