[sha2017-orga] An uncomfortable issue ...

[Patrice Riemens]

Hi Nick et all,

Point taken.
Glad SHA has its act together.
I did hesitate before posting. In the end it was a throw of the dice.

Make success, p+2D!



On 2017-06-05 23:50, Nick Farr wrote:
> Think of it this way:
> 
> Places where you go to party, where you go to socialize, where you go
> have drinks and fun will often have a "Banned Persons List".
> 
> Almost no pub, bar, restaurant or club will publicly tweet out about
> people who are banned from their establishment. It generates bad
> publicity and bad feelings. There's nothing to be gained from it. When
> friends of those banned try to make an issue of it on Social Media,
> wise establishments do not engage.
> 
> Yet, those who have been banned are well known to the employees of
> those establishments. Every one I've seen has a board in the back by
> the staff schedule with pictures of those persons. Accordingly, those
> persons on the banned list are consistently refused entry because of
> their past bad behavior (whether or not it rose to the level of a
> crime.)
> 
> Frankly, we have way, way, way too much to do collectively to burn too
> much time on this matter. I trust the PL and the people who run the
> TicketShop to figure out this banned persons list, get this
> information to the right group of trusted people at the gate and leave
> it at that.
> 
> Having known him for >15 years at this point, and having been one of
> those people who walked away (at the time) quietly because of his bad
> behavior, the thing Jake wants most is attention. Let's not give it to
> him.
> 
> Nick Farr
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> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Patrice Riemens <patrice at xs4all.nl>
> wrote:
> 
>> Aloha,
>> 
>> Cf:
>> 
> https://medium.com/@squeed/jacob-appelbaums-may-9th-visit-to-stammtisch-2c0c4f372af0
>> [1]
>> 
>> esp:
>> 
>> "But shouldn’t a hacker / activist community should be inclusive?
>> Exclusion is bad!
>> 
>> It is important to understand that when you choose to include
>> absolutely everyone, you are also choosing to exclude others. For
>> example, if Jacob is welcome at, say, SHA, many people will not feel
>> physically safe, and will not be able to attend. The organizers of
>> every space, every community, every event must decide one way or
>> another."
>> 
>> So, is there any position being already discussed for this rerun of
>> 'The Return of the Mommy'?
>> 
>> Not very much to Cheer about, I'm afraid.
>> p+2D!
>> 
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> Links:
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> [1]
> https://medium.com/@squeed/jacob-appelbaums-may-9th-visit-to-stammtisch-2c0c4f372af0
> [2] https://lists.sha2017.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orga